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Australian Helicopter carriers

I've included the Australian Helicopter carriers, because really....they are aircraft carriers, they just don't have planes on them. They are built by Spain, and the same as the Spanish Juan Carlos carrier. They both have the ski ramps for planes, and could have the set up for planes added, except presently Australia only has helicopters on them as Australia doesn't own any planes that could fly off them (ie the F35-b). So really, rather than being technically designed heli carriers, they are aircraft carriers that only have helicopters on them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathlibrarian (talk • contribs) 07:31, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed this, as no source was provided for them being aircraft carriers. The RAN refers to them as LHDs, as do all other sources I've seen. The above rationale for adding them to this list is ill-informed as they are not actually capable of operating fixed wing aircraft without substantial modifications. This article discusses the scope of the work that would be needed, for instance, noting that it "would not be easy or cheap". Nick-D (talk) 06:51, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

China third aircraft carrier Fujian

China have launched the third aircraft carrier on 17 June 2022 and the carrier expected to enter the service in 2023. Please consider add more China aircraft carrier on the table. 36.78.156.15 (talk) 11:10, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

About Brazil Aircraft Carrier

Does Brazil Aircraft Carrier, in the table it says it has - active carrier. However, in the map it shows only helicopter carrier. Hence, it need to revise. 36.78.156.15 (talk) 14:52, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The ship is an aircraft carrier that Brazil is using as a helicopter carrier. - wolf 18:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The HMS Ocean was classified as a Landing Platform Helicopter before it was sold to Brazil. No modifications were made to add aircraft carrier capabilities and the Brazilian Navy operates no fixed wing aircraft capable of taking off from the Atlântico. DefaultProphet (talk) 19:44, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Map needs to be updated

"File:BlankMap-World-v3.png" needs to be updated as it is more than three years old. 46.31.112.214 (talk) 06:41, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

map needs to be updated. turkey has a carrier now. 46.1.83.235 (talk) 10:15, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

LHD

"Amphibious assault ships, also known as commando carriers, assault carriers, helicopter carriers, landing helicopter assault ships, landing helicopter docks, landing platform docks, and landing platform helicopters. Although they have flight decks and look like aircraft carriers, they primarily operate helicopters and do not act as a floating airbase. Examples include the US Wasp-class assault ships, Brazilian NAM Atlântico (A140), Japanese Akitsu Maru escort carrier, and French Mistral class."

Given this exclusion the three named ships should be removed from this article, Brazilian NAM Atlântico (A140) is specifically mentioned as being excluded. All three are included in the List of amphibious warfare ships article

Turkish Anadolu[1][2]

Spanish Juan Carlos I [3][4][5]

Brazilian Atlântico [6][7][8][9]

Alternatively the US Wasp and America class ships should be added to the list as they serve the same function as these 3. DefaultProphet (talk) 21:41, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I do not believe the list is conforming to the standards set out earlier in the article. The Amphibious Assault Ship TCG Anadolu is also listed. 27.125.131.191 (talk) 04:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree Cheetah Rob (talk) 17:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i have gone ahead and redone the changes made as a result of this. TruthsAndIdeals (talk) 05:08, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not commenting on Turkish Anadolu and Brazilian Atlântico, but the Spanish ship Juan Carlos I (although built as a helicopter carrier) serves as an aircraft carrier and LHD at the same time. It uses fighters transferred from a classic aircraft carrier Príncipe de Asturias (Decommissioned 6 February 2013). It is worth noting that classic aircraft carriers are financially justified only for superpowers. Currently, many smaller countries are abandoning the construction of classic aircraft carriers and are building LHD ships, which are to serve as universal ships: aircraft carrier, helicopter carriers, drone carriers and landing ships all in one. For example:

Spain - classical aircraft carrier Príncipe de Asturias was decommissioned in 2013, has been replaced by LHD Juan Carlos I
Australia - classical aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne (R21) was decommissioned, now Australia uses LHD Canberra and LHD Adelaide
Italy - classical aircraft carrier Giuseppe Garibaldi decommissioned in 2024, has been replaced by LHD Trieste. TravelerFromEuropeanUnion (talk) 16:34, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but the point is the article clearly states that LHD/LHAs/Amphibious Warfare Ship with flight decks shouldn’t be listed in this article.

Personally I think that’s silly and they should be included but if we’re including the Juan Carlos or Trieste there’s no argument for not also including the US Wasp/America.

So to be consistent either add the Wasp/America class or remove the Juan Carlos, Trieste, etc. DefaultProphet (talk) 18:23, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing should be delete from article. If all Wasp/America class ships use fighters then they shouldn't be deleted. I didn't delete anything. If content was deleted by another user then the previous information should be restored. Only Brazilian helicopter carrier Atlântico and TCG Anadolu like Australian LHD Canberra and LHD Adelaide at the moment it does not use fighters, so the issue is debatable and may be omitted from the article on the list of active aircraft carriers. Wasp/America class, Juan Carlos, Trieste they should be on the list because they have a runway and serve as aircraft carriers with fighters, and the fact that these ships are more universal than classical aircraft carriers is not a problem, this is just economic common sense. TravelerFromEuropeanUnion (talk) 20:48, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

allowing any ship capable of operating fighters. would be a very bad precedent in my opinion. as many cruisers and destroyers can technically land and launch VTOL fixed wing aircraft. TruthsAndIdeals (talk) 21:54, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should be fixed wing aircraft. DefaultProphet (talk) 22:04, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry fixed wing STOVL. I can’t think of a destroyer/cruiser that can launch a short takeoff fixed wing aircraft. DefaultProphet (talk) 22:06, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ehh technically the Kuznetsov and the Kiev class are "Cruisers". but overall i think something capable of operating fixed wing stovl aircraft is a good definition. TruthsAndIdeals (talk) 22:19, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are no destroyers and frigates for permanent fighter operations (e.g. to service wings or squadrons of aircraft). Even if a VTOL-fighter can landed on some destroyer it doesn't matter, a Harrier or F-35B will land even on a bus. In this case, we will not call either the destroyer or the bus as aircraft carriers. However, Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov (and similar ships from USSR/Russia), it's a combination of an aircraft carrier and a destroyer, it's aircraft cruiser.... so, it's a type of aircraft carrier and so..... is classified as an aircraft carrier. So it doesn't matter that a given ship is not a classic aircraft carrier, it can be a more functional ship, e.g. an aircraft carrier and destroyer in one (like Kuznetsov) or an aircraft carrier and landing ship in one (like Juan Carlos I). It doesn't matter, the important thing is that it has a permanent airport on board and uses fighter squadrons. So you are trying to create a problem where there is no problem. TravelerFromEuropeanUnion (talk) 23:51, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is the US LHA/LHDs aren’t listed as aircraft carriers on this page DefaultProphet (talk) 23:52, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

LHD are partially on this page. I think that this data was there before but some user deleted it. If so, this data should be restored. TravelerFromEuropeanUnion (talk) 23:59, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They’ve never been for the US afaik. They haven’t been in the chart DefaultProphet (talk) 23:59, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

this is exactly my point. we cant go around classing every ship with aviation capabilities as an aircraft carrier (like your previous comment implies). the bottom line is should LHD/LHAs be included in the list, and if so where does LHD/LHA/Aircraft Cruiser start and where does destroyer/cruiser with aviation capabilities end. perhaps another column for LHA/LHD/VTOL carrier be added? TruthsAndIdeals (talk) 00:43, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple Fixed Wing STOVL. Would include the Russian carriers called cruisers to skirt the Montreux Convention and LHDs/LHAs that have fixed wing complements. Would not include pure helicopter carriers and cruisers/destroyers/frigates/etc with helicopter complements. DefaultProphet (talk) 06:21, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DefaultProphet i think this is a very good definition. and i would like to hear others imput on it. TruthsAndIdeals (talk) 06:52, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

before implementing these changes. TruthsAndIdeals (talk) 06:53, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian Aircraft Carrier (Under construction)

I suggest you read or listen to Drone carrier or Aircraft carrier of Iran and Turkey Iri1388 (talk) 21:31, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, not a reliable source. - wolf 02:40, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I do not understand. Does it require local resources or what? Iri1388 (talk) 08:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

local sourses Iri1388 (talk) 08:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See our sourcing guidelines and how to cite them. - wolf 22:42, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

about a drone carrier (local sourses such as Fars News Agency), but there is a few international sourses such as Forbes.com 1, Middle East Institute 2, United States Naval Institute 3, and for now, I won't change the article. Iri1388 (talk) 23:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you're unable to (or just unsure of how to) make an edit to the article, you can request it here on the talk page and a more experienced editor can make the edit for you (provided there's no issue with the request). This time you can just post it in this thread, but for future requests, here and on any other pages, you would start with this template, then post your request in a: "please change 'X' to 'Y" format, and include any sources you may have to support the change. If you need any further assistance, you can contact the Help Desk at any time. - wolf 04:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aircraft Carriers must be used for Air Combat.

An aircrtaft carrier is a capital ship able to engage other aircraft which should exclude those ships that only are used for helicopters and UAVs https://www.navy.mil/Resources/Fact-Files/Display-FactFiles/Article/2169795/aircraft-carriers-cvn/ And also the addition of helicopter carriers does not meet the diffenition as stated in article and should be removed. Lukeblake (talk) 08:49, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

-Pinging Holy Sepulchre, the first to revert. - wolf 09:06, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The US Navy isn't who decides what is and isn't an aircraft carrier, nor does it claim to be in the bogus source you provided, the definition is plain and simple. Not only that, how is Turkey's aircraft carrier limited to helicopters and UAVs? It's not, it already carries light attack aircraft and soon jet aircraft, and yet you removed them in your edits.

Show me what exact quote in your "source" the US Navy claims aircraft carriers MUST launch aircraft capable of CAP duties and show me your source which states Turkey's aircraft carrier is limited to UAVs and helicopters. Holy Sepulchre (talk) 10:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In my source 3rd parahgraph "Aircraft carriers support and operate aircraft that engage in attacks on airborne, afloat and ashore targets".

In the following article of NavalNews it stated by experts "that Anadolu’s flight deck is shorter because it was designed for STOVL (short take-off and vertical landing) aircraft. For this reason, Hürjet may need a catapult system that will provide initial speed to take off" [1]https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/04/turkey-plans-to-deploy-indigenous-aircraft-hurjet-on-lhd-anadolu/ You can have Anadolu left in so it can say there's plans for future aircraft on carrier but Brazil's Atlântico should be removed cause its only used for helicopters. Lukeblake (talk) 11:13, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with Brazil's carrier but to me an aircraft carrier is an aircraft carrier. If you want to distinguish them then I think the table should be formatted like it is in the French language version where the different type of aircraft carriers are shown because they are all aircraft carriers afterall. I won't complain if you make the edits you just agreed to but I think the table eventually needs updating since the title of the page is list of aircraft carriers not list of 'conventional' aircraft carriers. Holy Sepulchre (talk) 11:32, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish aircraft carrier

The Spanish aircraft carrier Principe de Asturias was decommissioned in 2013. Regarding the "Numbers of aircraft carriers by country" table, shouldn't Spain have 0 in service? And then 3 decommissioned? Poopykibble (talk) 16:17, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind I just found out about Juan Carlos I. Poopykibble (talk) 16:18, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New category: countries with carries that are not currently operational.

The country that would fall into this category is Russia.

They have an aircraft carrier on paper, but it is non operational and hasn't sailed on its own power in 7 years now...

it also has not done any sort of aircraft launch or recovery operation in an even longer time...

it's disingenuous to have Russia categorised as having an aircraft carrier, because they may on paper. but they really don't in reality.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-admiral-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier-may-never-sail-again-208300 BlunanNation (talk) 12:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]